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 Post subject: Jacques le Vert and his suicide friends
AgePosted: 2013-Jul-22 4:35 am 

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INTRODUCTION
This is my favourite deck. It's made for 4 player games, and it's not super-competitive. It's a very fun deck and can be very degenerate when it works.

The idea is to use cards that damage your own creatures, and get value for it. You can get all kinds of resources: creautres (Sprouting Phytohydra, Saber Ants, Druid's Call), damage (Boros Reckoner, Spitemare and Stuffy Doll) and pump (Phytohydra, Vigor, Rite of Passage). There are also some combos, which are explained after the decklist.
It's very simple, and i think with the decklist it's easy to see why some cards are in.

THE DECK
Commander (choice explained in the "combos" part)
1 Jacques le Vert

Pain:
1 Fire Ants
1 Pyrohemia
1 Chain Reaction
1 Magmaquake
1 Starstorm
1 Blasphemous Act
1 Brightflame
1 Acorn Catapult
1 Gruul Ragebeast
1 Pariah's Shield
1 Guilty Conscience
1 Lightmine Field
1 Molten Disaster
1 AEther Flash
1 Powerstone Minefield
1 Fault Line
1 Pariah

Reward for the Pain:
1 Boros Reckoner
1 Tamanoa
1 Druid's Call
1 Hostility
1 Rite of Passage
1 Saber Ants
1 Spitemare
1 Darien, King of Kjeldor
1 Sprouting Phytohydra
1 Stuffy Doll
1 Broodhatch Nantuko
1 Phytohydra
1 Protean Hydra
1 Vigor
1 Coalhauler Swine

Protection:
1 Dauntless Escort
1 Eldrazi Monument
1 Rootborn Defenses
1 Darksteel Plate
1 Privileged Position
1 Boros Charm

Extra value:
1 Glory of Warfare
1 Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
1 Goblin Bombardment
1 Leyline of Vitality
1 Fecundity
1 Vicious Shadows
1 In the Web of War
1 Blasting Station
1 Harmonize

Ramp and fixing:
1 Darksteel Ingot
1 Boros Signet
1 Gruul Signet
1 Coalition Relic
1 Cultivate
1 Kodama's Reach
1 Skyshroud Claim

Tutors:
1 Eladamri's Call
1 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Sylvan Tutor
1 Worldly Tutor
1 Sterling Grove
1 Enlightened Tutor

38 lands:
1 Selesnya Sanctuary
1 Selesnya Signet
1 Boros Garrison
1 Gruul Turf
1 Fire-Lit Thicket
1 Rugged Prairie
1 Wooded Bastion
1 Horizon Canopy
1 City of Brass
1 Sacred Foundry
1 Stomping Ground
1 Temple Garden
1 Command Tower
1 Gavony Township
1 Terramorphic Expanse
1 Evolving Wilds
6 Plains
7 Forest
6 Mountain
1 Krosan Verge
1 Raging Ravine
1 Stirring Wildwood
1 Jungle Shrine

COMBOS
-If you were wondering why use Jacques le Vert as commander, and not something like Rith or Mayael, it's because he makes our creatures resist more damage. He's a combo with Sprouting Phytohydra and AEther Flash.

-Gruul Ragebeast also combos with hydras in many ways, getting infinite tokens when fighting a creature with power less than hydra's toughness, or infinite ETB/die triggers if the power is greater.

-Another combo of the deck is Goblin Bombardment plus Sprouting Phytohydra, and any card that triggers when creatures ETB or die: With two hydras in play, you sac one to ping the other. That makes a copy, and you sac the hydra with 1 damage to ping the new one. That gives you infinite ETB and die triggers (Leyline of Vitality, Vicious Shadows, or also Rite of Passage...). It doesn't happen very often, but it's good to know it exists.

-The last combo works too with Saber Ants, Broodhatch Nantuko (toughness pumped) and Druid's Call.

-An indestructible Coalhauler Swine with Pariah/Pariah's Shield is a game-winning combo.

-Boros Reckoner or Spitemare + indestructible + Guilty Conscience kills everyone too!

WOW! That's a lot of combos!

THE DECK'S PROBLEMS
The real weakness of this deck are boardwipes. I've included some protection, but it usually isn't enough, and there's nothing as sad as watching how your 100000 hydras with Eldrazi Monument are Terminused. I guess sacrifice cards help.
Also, some people kill the hydras with no reason, or just because they want to attack you.

CONCLUSION
If you like to win all the time, this deck isn't for you: it's very easy to disrupt, it has no hate or protection, and there's always the possibility of being dead before you can "go off".
If you like a deck that can do absurd stuff without being broken, and love hydra plants, this is your deck. It has a lot of possibilities, and games will be different every time.
People won't usually see you as an early threat, and that gives you time to prepare for the shienangans.

Of course, feel free to make suggestions and comment!!!

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Seriously, when are they gonna print creatures with the type "Teenage"? I need to complete the quest for the Mutant Ninja Turtle!
Chech out my EDH decks!
-Momir Vig, Simic Visionary: Quest for the Mutant Ninja Turtle (but is that possible? yes, it is)
-Jacques le Vert: Suicide creatures sickness with Sprouting Phytohydra
-Radiant, Archangel: Monowhite tribal angels.
-Lady Evangela: (Magic) clerics are great!!!
-Lady Caleria: ARCHER AMBUSH!!!

Find me in cockatrice to play some EDH.


Last edited by Beusapu on 2013-Aug-13 4:29 am, edited 14 times in total.

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 Post subject: Re: Jacques le Vert and his suicide friends
AgePosted: 2013-Jul-23 4:57 am 
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TAMANOA!!! ...also Rite of Passage... it'd be bonkers...

A few other cards you might be interested in:
Broodhatch Nantuko: back-up Sabreclaw Ants
Swarmyard: protects the assorted ants
Coalhauler Swine: combos with Pariah, and is hilarious
Leyline of Vitality: generally on-theme, and even without comboing into infinite life, it still keeps it high for your swine shenanigans

You might also want a couple more general-purpose damage dealers; Earthquake and Fault Line are usually fine.

To free up space, I'd probably cut a few of the extra value/protection cards, like Spiritual Asylum, Asceticism, and Devout Invocation. I'd also cut Birthing Pod, 'cause it wants a relatively high creature count and for those creatures to be loaded with EtB/dies triggers.

If you're getting blown out by Terminus (or other exile/tuck sweepers), you could try swapping some of your creatures for similar effects on non-creatures. Ogre Battledriver could become In the Web of War, Avacyn could become Boros Charm, and your Skyshroud Elf or Knotvine Mystic could become other ramp spells.

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 Post subject: Re: Jacques le Vert and his suicide friends
AgePosted: 2013-Jul-23 5:05 pm 

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Thanks for the suggestions!
Wow, i don't know how i could miss Tamanoa... It's so good!
The swine looks cool too, i had it in my list before, but i hadn't thought about it with Pariah.
All the cards you said look good, and i'm definitelly gonna play them!
I'm not gonna cut Devout Invocation though, cause i need something to do when i have a bunch of 0/2 tokens!

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Seriously, when are they gonna print creatures with the type "Teenage"? I need to complete the quest for the Mutant Ninja Turtle!
Chech out my EDH decks!
-Momir Vig, Simic Visionary: Quest for the Mutant Ninja Turtle (but is that possible? yes, it is)
-Jacques le Vert: Suicide creatures sickness with Sprouting Phytohydra
-Radiant, Archangel: Monowhite tribal angels.
-Lady Evangela: (Magic) clerics are great!!!
-Lady Caleria: ARCHER AMBUSH!!!

Find me in cockatrice to play some EDH.


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 Post subject: Re: Jacques le Vert and his suicide friends
AgePosted: 2013-Jul-24 12:43 am 
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Thumbs up for Brightflame from me!

Looks fun to me, uses a lot of cards I like, but never found home for. Damn, why do those Swans of Bryn Argoll have to be blue, right?! Or white, my Nin asks. S. Phytohydra combo made me laugh :D Maybe you could include some cards that profit from having a lot of creatures?

Constructive part of my post:
Fecundity
Stalking Vengeance
Vicious Shadows
Hostility (could be good with your 'Quakes)
Rith, the Awakener (can be good even when not a general, right?)
Molten Disaster (split second, nuff said)
Rolling Earthquake (expensive, but good)
Ryusei, the Falling Star
Avenger of Zendikar (may be too much of a staple for some, but hey...)
Varchild's War-Riders (may be fun with Brigthflame, Chain Reaction and Vicious Shadows)
Slate of Ancestry (DRAW!)
Jiwari, the Earth Aflame (can burn for X when on table and channel isn't a spell, so no countering)
Kamahl, Fist of Krosa (Pyrohemia's best friend)

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 Post subject: Re: Jacques le Vert and his suicide friends
AgePosted: 2013-Jul-24 1:14 am 
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For some reason I have a playset of Sprouting Phytohydra. It's a real pity it's a defender, but with Axebane Guardian and Overgrown Battlement that's not really a downside. You could include something like Goblin Bombardment to make good use of them. It also helps with Terminus and other sweepers.

A card you could try is Mana Echoes, but you'd need something to put all that mana in at instant speed. Comet Storm, Chord of Calling, or just Ant Queen.

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 Post subject: Re: Jacques le Vert and his suicide friends
AgePosted: 2013-Jul-24 3:27 am 
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Kemev wrote:
Coalhauler Swine: combos with Pariah, and is hilarious
Yeah, Swine + indestructible + Pariah/Pariah's Shield is a game-winning combo. So is Boros Reckoner/Spitemare + indestructible + Guilty Conscience.

Brawl could be a lot of fun in this deck. Or, if it's starting to look more like a large, 0-to-1-power token army, Furystoke Giant would make more sense.

Behemoth Sledge, maybe?
Antis wrote:
Molten Disaster (split second, nuff said)
Agreed.
Antis wrote:
VERY much agreed.

I would cut some tutors for straight card-draw. A Life from the Loam + cycling lands package would be welcome here, but even plain old Harmonize would be great.


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 Post subject: Re: Jacques le Vert and his suicide friends
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Antis wrote:
Constructive part of my post:
Fecundity
Stalking Vengeance
Vicious Shadows
Hostility (could be good with your 'Quakes)
Rith, the Awakener (can be good even when not a general, right?)
Molten Disaster (split second, nuff said)
Rolling Earthquake (expensive, but good)
Ryusei, the Falling Star
Avenger of Zendikar (may be too much of a staple for some, but hey...)
Varchild's War-Riders (may be fun with Brigthflame, Chain Reaction and Vicious Shadows)
Slate of Ancestry (DRAW!)
Jiwari, the Earth Aflame (can burn for X when on table and channel isn't a spell, so no countering)
Kamahl, Fist of Krosa (Pyrohemia's best friend)


I'm definitelly gonna include some of those cards. It's difficult to find room for all, but Vicious Shadows, Hostility and some extra earthquakes look good.

Shabbaman wrote:
For some reason I have a playset of Sprouting Phytohydra. It's a real pity it's a defender, but with Axebane Guardian and Overgrown Battlement that's not really a downside. You could include something like Goblin Bombardment to make good use of them. It also helps with Terminus and other sweepers.
A card you could try is Mana Echoes, but you'd need something to put all that mana in at instant speed. Comet Storm, Chord of Calling, or just Ant Queen.


Well, to play this deck with one Sprouting Phytohydra it'll be enough ;). Bombardement is a great card, and it combos with hydras (i explained how it works in the deck explanation). I'm thinking i could add Blasting Station too. Mana Echoes looks too situational to me, it's only good when you have a ton of hydras, and the same goes for the defender matters creatures.

intreped wrote:
Kemev wrote:
Coalhauler Swine: combos with Pariah, and is hilarious
Yeah, Swine + indestructible + Pariah/Pariah's Shield is a game-winning combo. So is Boros Reckoner/Spitemare + indestructible + Guilty Conscience.
I would cut some tutors for straight card-draw. A Life from the Loam + cycling lands package would be welcome here, but even plain old Harmonize would be great.


Wow, so many combos! I didn't even know Guilty Conscience existed 8)
I don't think i'm gonna play Life from the Loam, but Harmonize is a good addition

Thank you all for the suggestions!

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Seriously, when are they gonna print creatures with the type "Teenage"? I need to complete the quest for the Mutant Ninja Turtle!
Chech out my EDH decks!
-Momir Vig, Simic Visionary: Quest for the Mutant Ninja Turtle (but is that possible? yes, it is)
-Jacques le Vert: Suicide creatures sickness with Sprouting Phytohydra
-Radiant, Archangel: Monowhite tribal angels.
-Lady Evangela: (Magic) clerics are great!!!
-Lady Caleria: ARCHER AMBUSH!!!

Find me in cockatrice to play some EDH.


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 Post subject: Re: Jacques le Vert and his suicide friends
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Updated it with more combos explanation. After some 4-player games, i've realised the deck is actually quite good. It's never seen as a target, and it can go for the surprise win many times.
However, for more casual metas, i'd suggest cuting some tutors and combo pieces to make it more random and put extra eartquakes/cool cards.

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Seriously, when are they gonna print creatures with the type "Teenage"? I need to complete the quest for the Mutant Ninja Turtle!
Chech out my EDH decks!
-Momir Vig, Simic Visionary: Quest for the Mutant Ninja Turtle (but is that possible? yes, it is)
-Jacques le Vert: Suicide creatures sickness with Sprouting Phytohydra
-Radiant, Archangel: Monowhite tribal angels.
-Lady Evangela: (Magic) clerics are great!!!
-Lady Caleria: ARCHER AMBUSH!!!

Find me in cockatrice to play some EDH.


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wow, I like the look of this deck! I was going to try something similar with Ragnar but it was missing all the red mass damage.

I don't have much to add but maybe Darien, King of Kjeldor since you have stuff that damages you. I'm sure you saw it, but Saber Ants?

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 Post subject: Re: Jacques le Vert and his suicide friends
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scatteredsun wrote:
wow, I like the look of this deck! I was going to try something similar with Ragnar but it was missing all the red mass damage.

I don't have much to add but maybe Darien, King of Kjeldor since you have stuff that damages you. I'm sure you saw it, but Saber Ants?


Wow, Darien looks cool. Definitelly gonna test him. I'm cutting Oracle of Mul Daya for him, since it has underperformed every time i played him (not enough lands, it just told my opponents what i was going to draw).
Saber Ants were already in the decklist, and they are great.

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Seriously, when are they gonna print creatures with the type "Teenage"? I need to complete the quest for the Mutant Ninja Turtle!
Chech out my EDH decks!
-Momir Vig, Simic Visionary: Quest for the Mutant Ninja Turtle (but is that possible? yes, it is)
-Jacques le Vert: Suicide creatures sickness with Sprouting Phytohydra
-Radiant, Archangel: Monowhite tribal angels.
-Lady Evangela: (Magic) clerics are great!!!
-Lady Caleria: ARCHER AMBUSH!!!

Find me in cockatrice to play some EDH.


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Shabbaman wrote:
For some reason I have a playset of Sprouting Phytohydra. It's a real pity it's a defender, but with Axebane Guardian and Overgrown Battlement that's not really a downside. You could include something like Goblin Bombardment to make good use of them. It also helps with Terminus and other sweepers.


Hellion Eruption...


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green slime wrote:
Shabbaman wrote:
For some reason I have a playset of Sprouting Phytohydra. It's a real pity it's a defender, but with Axebane Guardian and Overgrown Battlement that's not really a downside. You could include something like Goblin Bombardment to make good use of them. It also helps with Terminus and other sweepers.


Hellion Eruption...


Well, thanks for the suggestion, but while Hellion Eruption might look good, it's just the kind of "cool" card that's just win more. I already had Devout Invocation, and decided to cut it. If it was instant it would be useful, but just transforming your hydras into vanilla 4/4s (and losing the possibility to combo with them later) isn't worth it.

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Seriously, when are they gonna print creatures with the type "Teenage"? I need to complete the quest for the Mutant Ninja Turtle!
Chech out my EDH decks!
-Momir Vig, Simic Visionary: Quest for the Mutant Ninja Turtle (but is that possible? yes, it is)
-Jacques le Vert: Suicide creatures sickness with Sprouting Phytohydra
-Radiant, Archangel: Monowhite tribal angels.
-Lady Evangela: (Magic) clerics are great!!!
-Lady Caleria: ARCHER AMBUSH!!!

Find me in cockatrice to play some EDH.


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NICE DECK BEUS!!!! I have witnessed the terror of unlimited plant defenders that don't mind getting damaged myself. A force to be reckoned with ;D. I would give you advice, but what do I know about plant defenders... all I play is degenerate crap.


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